I’ve at least “won” the game with each of the new civs (gotta chase achievements, donchaknow?) though usually just with a duel map and either then spamming out warriors and archers for a quick domination win, or using Kongo a the other, developing a religion and then spreading it to him, so I haven’t necessarily used each civ “how it was intended.” That said — Maori with their cultural district and special building and then planting a forest everywhere possible is rather impressive, and being Mali and buying everything in sight with gold and faith is rather fun, especially with upgraded Reyna and.. um… the Cardinal governor since one of his upgrades is buying districts with faith. But yeah… Mali + Theocracy works VERY well in the mid-game.
Even with that, though… in my post about the announcement, I said I felt they were just adding in a lot of micromanagement and annoyances, and time has born this impression out.
The natural disasters are merely inconvenient and thus simply an annoyance rather than a fun feature. The “climate change” is just “global warming that if you’re playing in the lower difficulties you can slow it down, but in the higher difficulties it’s simply going to happen becuz the AI civs ignore it” so it’s a political statement by the devs rather than a game feature. Simply having a small military produces the C02 that causes the warming, and it does it fast… like you go from phase 0 to the max of phase 7 in about 50-70 turns with 2 oil plants (which the game has as being less polluting than coal) and a 12-15 unit military. There was a lot of complaining on the r/civ subreddit about how fast it advanced and you couldn’t do a thing about it. Except it really doesn’t affect anything. A few coastal tiles flood but you can see from the beginning of the game which ones will and avoid them easily enough, or if you got the tech (Computers) that lets you build flood barriers (and get them built, of course) then it doesn’t even do that. There are no changes to the map (desertification of green areas, nor greening of deserts) and while storms happen something like 2% more often it’s really again just an inconvenience, not a fun or compelling gameplay feature. Now if they’d given us more tech for mitigation and slowdown, and even techs to let us build things to be able to reverse it and/or cause cooling (and the attendant problems with that as well) then that would have been a fun feature becuz you could actually play with it and affect things. As it is, they’ve just made it “something annoying to deal with.” Except it’s so minor that go in to the r/civ subreddit and all the advice there is along the lines of “it’s going to happen but it’s no big deal, so just ignore it.”
The “power” requirements of certain buildings is also an unfun feature as it requires you to build either coal or oil power plants and thus accelerate the already way-too-fast warming phases, or build nuclear and then have to spend about 15-30% of that city’s future production forever after in rebuilding it all the time so it won’t have a meltdown (in spite of nuclear being far far far safer than coal or oil IRL, with maintenance being and ongoing concern of *all* types of power plants). Don’t build a nuke plant in a low-production city as the production diverted could then be 50% or higher. And don’t even think about building your spaceport in the same city as a nuke plant as you’ll constantly be having to interrupt your science projects to rebuild the plant. Not fun.
If you go the “green” route and use windmills and solar plants then that requires 5-6 hexes of your cityscape *in each city* to be turned over to power production, and the bonus you get from having power to 3-4 buildings vs their reduced unpowered state just isn’t worth losing that much of your real estate. Sure, the power improvements have a little production, but if you lost a farm for a solar plant then that’s a LOT of food lost. Windmills on the hills don’t fully replace a mine, though it doesn’t hurt as bad there, at least, but many things have adjacency bonuses to mines while nothing has an adjacency bonus to a windmill, so you can still be losing out on more than just the mine’s production too. Since most cities only have about 15-20 usable hexes anyway (made worse by them now being able to be built 3 hexes apart instead of 4, thus increasing overlap, especially if you capture AI cities since the AI packs them in as tight as it can — you almost have to raze half of them to give the remaining ones any chance to really grow) using 5-6 of your limited tiles for just for energy production really isn’t feasible, so you’re practically forced to build power plants since 1 plant supplies power to all cities within 6 hexes of it. And of course accelerates the global warming phases.
Honestly, given that they made the climate change something you really can’t do anything about (except build flood barriers), and even trying to do anything about it uses up about 1/3 of your land and/or requires devoting 20-30% of your industrial cities’ production to maintaining the nuke plants (which is ridiculous, as maintenance of coal and oil plants is also an IRL requirement, but it’s not implemented as a game function) and then if you ignore it, it doesn’t really matter anyway, it almost feels like the message of their political statement is perhaps the opposite of what they seem to intend – functionally it ends up being “if you cripple yourself to try to be green it doesn’t matter becuz the other civs don’t, so you get hit with the warming effects regardless of what you do, but that’s also just a minor inconvenience so you can safely ignore it, so don’t bother crippling yourself.”
The changes to the strategic resources to where you build up a small amount per turn (generally 2 per mine, eventually increases with tech, plus some government cards can add some also) to a cap dependent upon your tech level I’m pretty neutral to. If anything it slows down military production as a unit generally needs 20 units of a resource and if you have 1 mine/extractor then you get 2 a turn, so even if you have the production to build a resource-dependent unit in 5 or 6 turns, the resource itself requires 10 turns. Assuming that the AI is subject to the same limits then it actually reduces the difficulty of the higher levels as the AI’s massive production bonus isn’t as useful since they’re still resource-limited so they can’t build ginormous armies early on to overwhelm you.
The new diplomatic game is functionally useless. The proposals are random so you never know what’s going to come up and then they’re split between a beneficial or a detrimental choice which further dilutes any diplomatic favor you spend toward them. Additional votes cost higher favor amounts, which prevents being able to absolutely dominate the votes like you could in Civ5, at least, but it also means that you really can’t swing a benefit in your favor or a detriment to your enemy with any reliability either. And since all the bonuses and penalties are extremely minor anyway… diplomacy is useless and safely ignored. Toss a single vote at something randomly (1st vote is free) and hit submit when the game makes you do it, but other than that there’s no need to pay any attention to it at all. Sell that favor off to the AI’s for something you can actually use instead.
All in all, it makes the whole thing just feel like a jumbled mess of annoyances and inconveniences. My enjoyment of this game is just completely wiped out. But if you like it, well.. diff’rent strokes and all that. I just know I haven’t felt the urge to play it all at since that 1st week after it came out, nor to watch any streamers play it or anything.
Happy gaming out there!
So a couple of days ago Firaxis announced that Civ 6 is getting its 2nd expansion in February. They’re calling it “Gathering Storm” as they’re adding in random geologic and weather events. Floodplains can actually flood, volcanoes can erupt, tornadoes can sweep the plains, dust storms in and around deserts, droughts will apparently be triggered if you cut too many forests, etc. They’re also adding in an overall “world climate” section that you’ll have to manage, and revamp of how strategic resources work.
Here’s the announcement video. It opens with a short intro from Sid Meier, but the volume is very low so he’s hard to hear, then it goes in to the 3 minute trailer, then finally cuts to the developers talking about it. I didn’t watch the full hour, as by the half-hour mark I knew I didn’t care about this expansion at all.
As I watched the video, I kept thinking to myself “Hoo boy, just that much more to micromanage.” Nothing really excited me about any of what they’re proposing at all. And considering that in my “1st impressions” post about the “Rise and Fall” expansion I said that I felt it made the game worse and thus I had buyer’s remorse…
I can’t say that I’m looking forward to this expansion at all.
My goal of getting every class/job to 60 is almost complete. Maybe 3 more days of Moogle quests should see me through!
And beyond that… what’s exciting about “ran an expert each day to cap tomes, bought another gear piece for my tanking set, etc?”
Okay, sure — Little Ladies’ Day was cute, and you can see in the top picture that I got the outfit, but that took all of… 15 minutes? And I eventually plan to craft complete sets of level 50-58 gear for both Monk and Caster so that I’ll have them available at Stormblood’s release for Samurai and Red Mage to use as they catch up to 60 and then can start sharing the “real gear” that I’ve already got, but that’s still a ways off.
So, since Civ6 just released their latest update,I’ve been playing a lot of that over the past week instead. Information on the balance passes made on the game since the 1st few weeks is kinda hard to find, but I managed to suss it out. The biggest change is that buildings that give a bonus to anything within 6 tiles don’t stack anymore, so clustering 3-4 Industrial zones in between your cities or mutual adjacency bonuses and then the massive production boost from having 4 factories and power plants is no longer a thing.
On the other hand, it means that if you build in a square like that, you only need the 1 industrial zone, so the other 3 cities can do the entertainment or culture districts (that often get left by the wayside) for a more balanced overall output.
Harbors and commercial districts still grant a trade route, but only the 1st district built in a city does, so no more annoyingly massive trade networks from building both. And the current meta is to spam out commercial districts to get all the traders you can still, but only 1, maybe 2 harbors in your high-production cities for building your navy up. They also made counterspy missions take longer so you’re not constantly having to re-assign the spies. That’s a nice quality of life change.
Of the new Civs released, it seems Australia is the new Morocco — their Outback Stations make the desert give food and production. Couple that with Petra and there’s your mega-city that Morocco could get with Petra plus Kasbahs.
Fun little quirk of the new “True Start Locations” earth map. Egypt and Arabia start within 1 tile of each other, though Arabia’s settler is across the Nile from Egypt’s warrior, so it’s not easily reachable. But Arabia’s warrior starts literally on top of Egypt’s settler, so it means that Arabia can declare war on Egypt 1st turn and not only eliminate the AI player by taking its settler, but then also have 2 settlers on turn 1. You can also select the civs you want to play against. England, Japan, and Australia are trapped on their islands for quite some time (Japan tends to not really ever leave and just sit stuck with only 1 city on a small crappy island), plus you can pick Brazil, Aztecs, and US for the other 3 and boom — Arabia now has completely unfettered access to Europe, Africa, and Asia for as long as you can manage to keep pumping out settlers. Or you could if you wanted to play as Arabia, anyway….
But yeah, that’s what I’ve been up to gaming wise. And now for a slight screenie dump:
Happy gaming out there!
On Sunday evening I started a new game of Civ6. Now that I know everything from my prior “info-dump” post, I had a plan going in and just needed to execute it.
I chose Germany due to them having their industrial zone be a unique tile, which means it gets a discount when building it. I got a starting seed with 3 city-states fairly close by. 1 is to my NW, 1 is to the NE, and the last one is to my SE. This essentially forced me to look at building to the south and west of my starting spot. There were a lot of rivers in that direction, though, so it all looked good.
Except France was there to the south and she took exception to me dropping 2 cities “on her borders” early on. I don’t think she’s forgiven me for that, becuz she just declared a surprise war on me during my last play session. After getting those 2 cities down, my scout also found a nice spot close enough to the west to be able to “finish a square” so to speak. I also found that India was off that direction, so if I wanted to get a city there I’d need to work on that, so I rush-built a settler and tossed it over that way too. Over time, I was able to build 3 industrial districts in a triangle with commercial districts adjacent for big bonuses, and the 4th industrial zone is 1 hex away from that triangle, so it’s still close enough to everything to spread its bonus to all 4 cities in the square, even if it’s a slightly smaller bonus (+10 instead of the other’s +12 when I checked). Here’s what it all looks like right now:
As you can see, I’ve also built a city off to the north now. I had to do that to pick up some niter. And I’ve got a settler headed over to the south of Amsterdam there as well since once I finished researching Steam Power some coal popped up down there. My only “problem” right now is that I’m still landlocked, but once I get that city up on that coal resource it will be coastal so I’ll be able to build a harbor there, so that will be taken care of soon. Of course it’ll be right on France’s border again, so that will make her mad too, but she’s using warriors and spearmen against muskets and field cannons. I’m not worried….
My scouts also found China and Egypt pretty early on and they both declared war jointly almost immediately. I ‘d put an Archer in each city, and I thought I’d built walls around all of them, but overlooked one (Mainz on the SW corner), so of course that was the one closest to Egypt and the one that got attacked by a bunch of warriors and archers. Fortunately for me I had already built roads from my other cities so I was able to bring down a swordsman and some more archers to drive her back even without the city being defended by walls. Though oddly enough after I’d killed off all but one of her warriors she used her archers to take my city HP to nothing, then instead of attacking with the last warrior and taking the city she sued for peace and withdrew. Whew…… I never even saw China before they sued for peace.
Other than that early scare the game’s been going very well for me. I’m completely dominating in Tech and Civics. Although I’ve started to be spied upon and I can’t build spies yet, and I’m not sure what I need to do to get them. More to look up how to do… But anyway, I’m a powerhouse this time due to knowing how the bonuses stack now and making sure to build in a way to take maximum advantage of the bonuses. How well? Well, check out this screenshot showing the horrible reporting UI and see how much production I have in my capital and the “worst” of the other 3 cities in “the square:”
Yes, 110 production in my capital, and 81 in another city. The other 2 cities in “the square” are doing 84, and 85 production. I wish I could collapse the city view on that report and just show overall totals, but… bad UI is bad. The 5th city up north that isn’t part of “the square” also has 45 production, which isn’t bad at all, just not quite as insanely good as the 4 central cities.
But yeah… I finally feel like I’ve got a handle on the game. Time to start branching out and trying other civs and playstyles…
Happy gaming out there!
This is actually an email I sent to a friend today about what I’ve discovered so far:
The Diplomacy screen UI is terrible. You do your “work” in the top left corner of the screen. Then after it’s accepted or rejected, you have to wait a couple of seconds before the button you need to advance the screen comes up – in the bottom left corner. And then to close out of the screen you have to click a little X button in the top right corner, so you have to travel your mouse to all 3 corners of the screen every time you do Diplomacy.
The Spying UI is even worse becuz it shows you a list of cities that you can deploy to, but doesn’t actually show which city you’re already in. You pick your city and then it *displays* a list of your available things you can do in that city, but you can’t click on them, oh no – it’s just a display (and thus confusing and shouldn’t even be there, IMO). You have to click a small button at the bottom of the list (long mouse travel, since you probably clicked toward the top of the list) to confirm that you wanted to go to that city. Then after that click the displayed list changes to active and accepts whatever you click on without a confirmation. If you mis-click, then you have to go find the spy, click him, then click “cancel” on him and he loses his action for the turn, and next turn you can repeat that process, hopefully not mis-clicking this time.
Trade UI is a bit weird too. I’ve read that you do have the ability to send a trader to a different city to start trading from there, but I haven’t found it yet. In the early game internal trade routes can give you a really nice boost to food and production, but if you let that go too long your cities will “overgrow” your natural food production and if you want to do international trade for money, culture, science, etc then your cities will decrease in population if you don’t make the switch early enough.
Why no option to turn off espionage? Why no option to have no city-states? Why no option to have double the amount of city-states?
If you lose the game, it doesn’t tell you why, just says “You lost.” How am I supposed to know what to try to stop from happening in the future if I don’t know what happened? I mean… I did a duel with Kongo and he asked me to establish an embassy and I said “ok” and boom! I lost. And I have absolutely no idea why. How does establishing diplomatic ties equal a loss? It was the same when I didn’t know that there was a possible religious victory and the Aztecs sent a wave of Apostles and Missionaries through my lands and suddenly “you lost.” This was on turn 212 in a Settler-level game. I had no idea what had happened, or how I’d lost so early on.
The replay is also just a series of graphs – the map is not there yet again. It wasn’t in Civ5 at the beginning either and got added in later due to player demands. Since the devs know it will be demanded, why didn’t they have it in from the get-go?
Religious fighting is pretty interesting. Basically religious units can’t be attacked by normal ones, nor can they attack normal units either. Missionaries can spread religion and defend themselves, but can’t attack. Apostles spread religion and can attack or defend. They also can add beliefs to your religion and open an Inquisition. Starting an Inquisition allows you to create Inquisitors which can attack Apostles and Missionaries, as well as remove opposing religious views from your cities. They toss lightning around at each other when they fight, so it’s a little like watching wizards go at it. When you kill a unit from a different religion any city within 6 tiles will also remove a bunch of that religious influence from it and gain a bunch of your own, so doing religious battle can affect 2-3 cities at a time and might be more effective than simply spreading the religion.
You can cheese wins for achievements really easily. Choose Russia as your civ, set a custom time limit on the game of 1 turn. Settle your city, click next turn. You win! Watch those achievements roll in! This is due to Russia getting the Civ5 Shoshone’s power of extra tiles on settlement, which increases their score above any other civ in that 1st turn and thus guarantees the victory.
Another easy win is a duel vs Konga on the Pangaea map. Set religious victory as the only win condition, then play as you normally would until you establish a religion, then start spamming Missionaries at him. You get the religious victory very quickly doing that, since he can’t create a religion to fight against you and actively wants you to spread yours to him. The corollary to this is that if you’re playing as Kongo, you might want to turn off the Religious Victory condition especially on a smaller map since you can’t really defend against it.
Fresh water is critical to your early city development. City size is limited by your “housing” stat, and a city without fresh water starts with only 2 housing, while with fresh water starts at 6. The Aqueduct can help if you find a really good spot that’s only 1 space away from a fresh water source (river, lake, oasis, or mountain – yes, the aqueduct turns a mountain into a fresh water source).
The AI tends to be pretty aggressive early on. I’d meet a civ and they’d declare war on me that instant. And then after I’d not see them again for 100 turns and finally pick off a unit they’d sure for peace, and then suddenly we’d be best friends, all the way up to alliance.
It’s hard to get a city much above size 20 due to limited food production. Playing as Rome last night, I made it up to size 24 in Rome and size 22 for 2 other cities by using multiple internal trade routes that gave massive amounts of food, but building districts and wonders completely destroy any production on the tile they’re built on, so expanding your city and building lots of wonders can reduce your food production. I was pretty haphazard on how I built out, though. Had I planned ahead better for when you get the “bonus food for clusters of farms” instead of spreading everything out as I did, I might have done better.
Try to cluster your districts together as best you can so that 1 spy can defend many districts at once. Something else that seems to work nicely is clustering districts from multiple cities in the same area, so if you can build your cities in a circle or triangle and build up an urban core in the middle then they reinforce each other and give big “adjacency bonuses.” Then you can put your farms to the “outside” of your shape and cluster them also so that they give a bonus to their yield (eventually) also, which might help in getting bigger cities so you can get all the districts.
Woods kinda suck in the early game until you can build lumber mills. Until then, you can spam out builders and cut the all the woods you can find down for big production bonuses in your capital, even when they’re outside your borders. Some are calling this an exploit, though.
The Oracle is an amazingly overpowered wonder giving Great Person Points for each district you build that other civs won’t get. Build it ASAP. This is a big deal becuz Great People are now a competition with the other Civs. If they gain one 1st, then any contribution you had toward earning that one is lost and you all start fresh to compete for the next one. Same for you – if you get one, they all lose out. They don’t have static abilities either, so this Great Scientist might give a boost to 3 random techs, that one might give a boost to 2 specific techs, and that other one might just plain give a flat boost of 250 science per mountain that you expend him next to. Or this Great Engineer might help build wonders, while that one might give a permanent production bonus to the city. This Great Artist might paint, that one might do sculpture. Etc.
Venetian Armory is also wickedly OP if you’re going for a big navy since it give you a double-build on any naval unit built anywhere in your civ, not just in the city where this was built.
Deleting a unit gives a ton of cash, even if it’s outside your borders. Scythians can abuse this mechanic in the early game by building light cavalry units (especially using builders to boost production by cutting down forests) since their civ-bonus is double builds of any cavalry, so they build 1, get 2, sell both, use the cash to buy something else, etc. This is thought to be a bug. Or something in need of a severe nerf.
There aren’t any social policies that will give late-game cities production bonuses like they did in Civ5, so when I had to build some cities halfway across the map to get Niter, Aluminum, and Uranium, I had to make sure to send along several builders and defensive units, and then buy up the tiles I wanted. They never “caught up” so to speak. In fact, the more cities and districts you’ve built, the more expensive later ones become, so late-game cities actually have a disadvantage since they will want to build workshops and factories, but that requires building a district and they’re little and don’t have much production so a district takes a long time…. You can’t buy a district, so you can’t rush buildings until after the district is up and running. The district itself gets built the long way of waiting for “next turn.” Military Engineer’s Airstrips do NOT count as airports for airlift purposes either. They have to build an aerodrome district.
Archaeologist have 3 charges like a builder, but I didn’t notice that showing up on their UI. I didn’t really pay attention to them since I was assuming they’d be single-use like in Civ5, but I cleared 3 spots with one before he went poof.
In the early game, your cities can’t bombard incoming attackers until you build some walls. After you build walls, most damage goes to them 1st before the city and most units have a damage penalty vs walls, so they’re a quite powerful thing to have. Siege Towers let you ignore walls. Battering Rams remove your damage penalty vs walls. And once you get catapults they do damage bonus vs walls, but they take time to get into position and can’t fire on a turn where they move, so… IMO, build a siege tower for every 3rd melee and link it and then cities are pretty easy to take since they just ignore the walls. Eventually this stops being a thing in the later game though and once cities are automatically defended you can’t even build walls anymore. I’m not quite sure when it happened. You can do classic, medieval, and renaissance walls, so I’m assuming it stopped being a thing once I hit modern or atomic era.
In the late game you can combine units into “formations.” Basically it powers up the initial unit by a pretty substantial amount. Another nice bonus is that when you combine 2 units the higher promotion/experience level stays, so your early game units that you managed to keep alive and get promoted and upgraded can get upgraded yet again by combining other freshly built units into them. You can combine a max of 3 units in this way once you gain the full ability. You can also build them in the maxed out formation as well, though this obviously takes longer than building a single unit.
When you upgrade a unit it immediately goes to whatever is the current one, without needing intermediate steps if you left off for a long time. Or if you never got iron and couldn’t upgrade to swordsman, you can still skip to musketman – assuming you have niter 😉
For city-states you pretty much want to try to get 6 envoys to each for maximum bonuses. And after that if you can be suzerain and thus get their resources, that’s cool too, but it seems like the biggest thing it to have at least 1 envoy with all of them, 6 if possible for max bonus, and suzerain is nice, but not too big a deal. On a larger map you simply won’t be able to get enough envoys to be suzerain of all of them anyway, unlike in Civ5 where you could just buy their loyalty very easily.
Happy gaming out there!