I had my Day 350 login 2 days ago, and that also happened to be the day that this happened:
When I started playing this game just shy of a year ago, and I had no real idea of how to gain new weapons and warframes, had you told me that less than a year later I’d have played with/tried out 457 / 468 (according to my profile, but it doesn’t include 2 Wraith versions, 4 Vandal versions, nor 2 archwing weapons, so 457 / 476, really) of the items in the game, I’d have said you were crazy.
But here we are:
The test was one of those “run next to the moving item until it says it’s captured while tanking the damage from the enemies” ones. Though I used Limbo, so I just dodged out of phase and could simply ignore the mobs. Except one who somehow got into the Rift with me, but I killed it easily enough and then was completely safe the rest of the time. Worked out nicely.
In Fortuna news… I’m done with it so far as the current content goes. I’ve maxed the 2 factions that can be maxed, built all the kitguns, moas, sentinel weapons, the new sentinel, and even all 3 of the K-drives and all the k-drive mods. I don’t have all the floofs yet, but I don’t really care about them either. I have no reason to go get standing with Solaris United or the Vent Kids anymore, as I’ve got everything that standing gives me. I know that there’s a “Fortuna 2” coming, though, which will unlock the giant spider fights and allow for the Vox Solaris faction to come in to play, but until then, I’m pretty much just done with Fortuna.
Of course with Mesa Prime and her weapons coming next week as well as the new Baruuk (sp?) frame, there will be more to try out soon…
In the meantime – Happy gaming out there!
This post will try to encapsulate what I’ve learned about the kitguns so far.
My 1st kitgun was one of the “daily specials” that I bought with platinum. Several people in public groups I was in during that day and also in my clan chat said that the daily special was “one of the best possible combinations.” So I bought it. It was the beam chamber called “Gaze” along with the Splat grip and the Thunderdrum loader. Since plat-bought weapons come gilded, I was able to immediately throw a potato on it and start off with 50 mod space (go go MR 25, right?) And the gun was fine. I’d shoot things and they’d die quite quickly, but it’s a beam weapon, and I’ve never really liked the “feel” of the various beams with their requirement for pinpoint accuracy as you hold the reticle on target as it’s moving. So while sure, it killed things quickly, I didn’t really like the gun.
I started ranking up my faction level and more options became available, and the idea of a rapid fire auto-pistol sounded fun to me, so I chose my “free reward” from each level up on the Rattleguts, Gibber, and Thunderdrum pieces. I knew that it would be lower damage per shot than might be possible otherwise, but with max fire rate, I figured that wouldn’t matter much. And it didn’t. I simply loved how it felt, even when un-gilded. Mobs died pretty much instantly when hit, and after I gilded it and tossed forma into it, it just got better.
I put together a Catchmoon chamber since people were calling it a “pocket Arca Plasmor,” but I didn’t look up what was supposedly “the best” combo for it, just picked parts that sounded like they’d be good for a shotgun with the highest possible status chance. This worked very well for me when ranking it up in Helene and Hydron, though whole it would clear a hallway of trash, I noticed it struggled a bit vs the Nox and the various Eximus mobs in the later waves. It’s also got a kinda weird feel becuz while the Arca Plasmor will go as far as it can until it hits a wall, but allows pieces of the shot to clip out earlier, the Catchmoon doesn’t do that — if a piece of the shot clips a wall, the whole shot ends there, so it’s not an “aim in the general direction” weapon like the Arca is, but still requires some precision in the aiming.
And finally I built a gun using the “Tombfinger” chamber and the “Haymaker” grip since both said “Maximum Damage.” I did this because I thought it would serve as a substitute for a Lex Prime with a big single shot. I went with the Stitch loader, as I thought that it sounded like a good balance of magazine size and fire rate. It worked fine. The projectile’s larger than on a Lex, so it didn’t require quite as much aiming precision, but it’s also a projectile weapon, not hitscan, so it actually ended up being a little harder to aim anyway, since I have to lead the targets a bit. I noticed if I aimed at the mob’s feet that there was a bit of an area of effect, so when firing in to groups I’d often do that instead to get more hits in. I’ve since learned that the AE is a “reverse cone” so if you hit something (or a wall) then it splashed in a cone back toward you, so if firing into a group you want to fire at the back of it to get the AE on the rest of the mobs. Seems to have about a 3m range for the splash. Overall, I’d say the feel of the gun was fine, but it didn’t quite sit right with me.
And after having done this, I decided to research what the community feels is the best kitgun combinations. I looked up videos, but they tended to just be people saying “here’s what I threw together to test” but that was about it. So off to teh interwebz instead. There I found these charts that someone had put together. The TL;DR is that the highest “paper dps” comes from these part combinations:
- Tombfinger, Haymaker, Splat
- Rattleguts, Lovetap, Splat
- Catchmoon, Haymaker, Splat
- Gaze, Haymaker, Splat
The difference between the Lovetap and the Haymaker on the Rattleguts was only 18 dps, so very minimal – less than a hundredth of a percent. So as you can see… pretty much the “Haymaker/Splat” grip/loader combo is “best” for paper dps. And I’ve gone ahead and built all 4 of those combos now and tried them out. I’ve also done some testing in the simulacrum for kill times and whatnot.
In all cases, a “perfect” mod build requires 4 forma and will include Hornet Strike, Lethal Torrent, Barrel Diffusion, Primed Target Cracker, Primed Pistol Gambit, 2 dual-stat elemental mods to make the combo of your choice (generally corrosive, as usual), and a final slot that you can play with a bit. Augur Pact is popular to toss in there, though I’ve found I like to toss a 90% elemental mod in to increase the corrosive status for armor stripping and that seems to better my kill times by a touch in testing. So yeah, not a lot of build variety going on with the kitguns. I’ve tried a few other things and played around with the final slot, tried using more slash/puncture instead of the elementals and they just don’t work as well.
In simulacrum tests vs level 100 enemies (since that’s about as high as you’ll ever realistically see in a sortie) this was how everything came out:
- Tombfinger – 1 shot vs trash mobs. 5-6 headshots vs armored mobs.
- Rattleguts – trash mobs explode on a quick trigger pull, armored mobs take about half a clip.
- Catchmoon – 1 shot will clear an entire line of trash mobs (pocket Arca! ), armored mobs take 10-12 headshots
- Gaze – trash mobs go down on quick trigger pull, armored mobs take about a half a clip.
From this we see that all of the chambers can clear trash with no problems, but the Rattleguts and the Gaze seem to have an easier time vs the armored units. The difference between those guns is that the Rattleguts is hitscan and has unlimited range, while the gaze is a beam weapon with only 20m range, so there’s still a different feel. And Gaze is comparatively ammo inefficient, though bringing Carrier along fixes that up.
Speaking of the Rattleguts, I’m finding that in testing my “Rapidshot” gun actually kills slightly faster than the “best paper dps” version. There are 2 reasons that I can see for it:
- There’s no Impact damage, so the mobs don’t ever stagger and throw off the headshot aim
- It has lower recoil so it’s easier to start a stream of headshot fire and hold it in place
However, in practical application in “the real game” with body shots since the mobs are running around both seem to have the same instantaneous kill time. The same goes for any of the kitguns. Mobs in the 30-50 range like you see in Hydron all simply melt/explode when hit by a fully modded kitgun, so it all seems to come down to “do you like how the gun feels to play with?”
For me, the gun I like the feel of best is.. well… I go back and forth between my 2 Rattleguts kits. I think I’m leaning a bit more toward my “Rapidshot” one since I like the feel of less recoil, but both work wonderfully. For the other chambers, since I don’t like them as much, I ended up trading in my “less than optimal” guns for standing so as to not be clogging up my equipment slots.
Out in Orb Vallis, I find the Catchmoon and Gaze are too short-ranged to really be useful, and the slow projectile on the Tombfinger is hard to aim, but the Rattleguts absolutely owns out there. Mobs die instantly, range is unlimited, and it simply wrecks all the dropships that are flying around too. Yeah… Rattleguts kitgun is now my go-to secondary in most cases anymore.
If you like a different chamber better, more power to you. I also found a reddit thread where a lot of people said that they liked the Lovetap grip with any chamber more than the Haymaker as the slightly faster rate of fire it gives “felt smoother” to them as they played. I guess the whole “paper dps vs practical application” dichotomy is still in full force.
I’ve not done much with the arcanes yet. I’ve looked up videos on them, and the consensus is already emerging that the only one worth using is the one that deals additional damage when you get a headshot kill, with a possible case to be made for the “Pax Charge” one that eliminates ammo and reloads itself when you aren’t firing it. That one might work well with the Gaze chamber, as Gaze is incredibly ammo inefficient. I did buy one of those and test it out, and… it seems that the wait time until it begins to reload is the same as your reload time, and then it takes 4 seconds to charge up to full. Ranking it up reduces the reload wait time, but the 4 second fill time looks to be set in stone. In testing, it’s much slower than simply reloading, but in the “real game” there’s plenty of downtime, so it seems more practical there, perhaps.
Happy gaming out there!
Some Fortuna Thoughts:
In spite of it being said in a devstream that the K-Drive will be a better way to get around in Orb Vallis than the archwing — I don’t see it. The archwing is faster, it simply ignores obstacles since it can fly over them, and you can fight in that mode. The K-Drive is slower, has to go around or figure out how to climb obstacles, and you have to jump off in order to fight. I’m assuming that ranking up the K-Drives gives MR experience, so I’ll rank all 3 of the board types to get that, but once that’s done, I don’t expect to ever pull a K-Drive out again.
Mining appears to be the new “best way” to gain status. The rare gems come relatively quickly, so it’s pretty easy to have a decent stockpile of them.
Fishing is largely the same as in PoE, just with the added click for the EMP pulse. Standing granted by the fish is much lower than in PoE though, which is why mining has supplanted it as the quicker standing-getter. All fish spawn without bait, which is good, as the baits for the rare fish have a relatively heavy cost in standing, so nobody wants to use them anyway. Anyway, it’s generally accepted right now that all fish will be disassembled for parts so you can build kitguns, moas, and k-drives.
Kitguns — The 2 I’ve tried have been decent, but nothing that made me go “oh I’ll use this instead of my Atomos or Staticor.” I’ve built a 3rd, but haven’t used it yet. The 2 I have used so far were a beam one that was a “today’s special” early on that everyone was saying was awesome, so I shelled out the plat for it. It was fine, but I didn’t find it terribly exciting. (Advantage of plat buying is that it’s already gilded.) The other I built on my own. I used the “1 big shot” barrel and chose the loader that said “maximum damage” and then used the grip that gives the largest magazine. I like it as opposed to the Lex/Aklex Prime in that it’s got a large projectile, so you don’t have to be pinpoint accurate, but even after gilding and being 3 forma in on it in a hybrid build it doesn’t feel as strong to me as a Lex Prime, so… eh. The new one I’ve built I went with the automatic fire barrel and the max rate-of-fire loader. I think I went with the large magazine grip again, but I’m not 100% sure on my memory of that now. I’ll report on how it feels in my next post.
Moas — I bought 1 from “today’s special” right as Fortuna came out so I could see what it was like. It seems to combine the best of the sentinels and pets, so that’s nice. I’m told that the moas actually do really good damage, so unlike a sentinel where you unequip the gun so it won’t draw aggro while doing pathetic damage, a moa apparently should have a gun equipped. That said, they seem a bit squishy. Mine’s been fine, as I’ve mostly chosen to level it with Inaros, so the Link Health mod gives it about 7K hit points, but whenever I’ve seen other people using them, they tend to be getting revived constantly. I took mine out using Rhino once, and since Rhino simply has his base health/shields due to using Iron Skin, the moa looked a lot squishier in the party list, though ended up being just fine, at least. Probably becuz it follows pretty close, so I was able to keep enough things killed that it didn’t get hit much or something. So anyway, the jury’s still out on moas for me as of yet, since I haven’t built one of my own yet or really tried to do much with them.
Happy gaming out there!
A picture post —
Hey lookit where I am!
And there you have it. It’s Plains of Eidolon 2.0. Quite fun!